Legislature(2007 - 2008)HOUSE FINANCE 519

11/08/2007 05:30 PM House FINANCE


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05:39:16 PM Statewide Testimony on Oil and Gas Issue
07:45:18 PM Adjourn
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+= HB2001 OIL & GAS TAX AMENDMENTS TELECONFERENCED
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                  HOUSE FINANCE COMMITTEE                                                                                       
                  SENATE FINANCE COMMITTEE                                                                                      
                      November 8, 2007                                                                                          
                         5:38 p.m.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
CALL TO ORDER                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Chenault called the House Finance Committee meeting                                                                    
to order at 5:38:44 PM.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
HOUSE MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Representative Mike Chenault, Co-Chair                                                                                          
Representative Kevin Meyer, Co-Chair                                                                                            
Representative Harry Crawford                                                                                                   
Representative Richard Foster                                                                                                   
Representative Les Gara                                                                                                         
Representative Mike Hawker                                                                                                      
Representative Reggie Joule                                                                                                     
Representative Mike Kelly                                                                                                       
Representative Mary Nelson                                                                                                      
Representative Bill Thomas Jr.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
HOUSE MEMBER ABSENT                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Representative Bill Stoltze, Vice-Chair                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
SENATE MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Lyman Hoffman                                                                                                          
Co-Chair Bert Stedman                                                                                                           
Senator Fred Dyson                                                                                                              
Senator Kim Elton                                                                                                               
Senator Charlie Huggins                                                                                                         
Senator Danny Olson                                                                                                             
Senator Joe Thomas                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
SENATE MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
none                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
ALSO PRESENT                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Senator Tom Wagoner.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
PRESENT VIA TELECONFERENCE                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Paul Kendall, Anchorage; Michael Tavoliero, Anchorage; Bill                                                                     
Warren,  Kenai; Jan  Brophy;  Tom  Lakosh, Anchorage;  Bret                                                                     
Chambers;  Steve  Dentor;   Lawrence  Bredman,  Manley  Hot                                                                     
Springs;  James Fisher,  Soldotna; Fred  Sturman, Soldotna;                                                                     
Rhonda  Boyles, Fairbanks;  Jerry  Walker,  Fairbanks; Mike                                                                     
 Milligan, Kodiak; Donald Benson, MatSu; Eric Dompeling, The                                                                    
 Alliance, Anchorage; Paul  Laird, The  Alliance, Anchorage;                                                                    
 Jim  Gilbert,   President,   Udelhoven  Oilfield   Systems,                                                                    
 Anchorage;  Maynard  Tapp,  Anchorage;  Jeanine  St.  John,                                                                    
 Anchorage; Jerry McCutcheon, Anchorage; Tara  Sweeny, ASRC,                                                                    
 Anchorage; Keith Sanders, CIRI, Anchorage;  David Godstein,                                                                    
 Backbone, Anchorage;  John  Shively,  Resource  Development                                                                    
 Council, Anchorage;  Jim Decker,  Anchorage; Keith  Silver,                                                                    
 Anchorage; Harry  McDonald,  Anchorage;  Tom  Hendrix  Jr.,                                                                    
 Anchorage;  Bart  Armfield,  Brooks  Range   Petro.  Corp.,                                                                    
 Anchorage; Matthew  Fagnani, Nana  Management Systems;  Jim                                                                    
 Orr, Employed by AK Public  Employees Association; Marshall                                                                    
 Byrd; Mary Whitmore; Caroline Bolar; Merrick  Peirce; Frank                                                                    
 Sepico [Many  of the  off-net testifiers  did not  identify                                                                    
 their location].                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
 GENERAL SUBJECT(S):                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
          ^STATEWIDE TESTIMONY ON OIL AND GAS ISSUE                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
The  following  overview  was  taken  in  log  note  format.                                                                    
Handouts will  be on file  with the House  Finance Committee                                                                    
through  the  25th  Legislative Session,  contact  465-6814.                                                                    
After the  25th Legislative Session  they will be  available                                                                    
through the Legislative Library at 465-3808.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
 TIME        SPEAKER         DISCUSSION                                                                                     
 5:39:16 PM Co-Chair         Convened the Joint Senate and House                                                              
             Chenault        Finance Committees in order to hear                                                                
                             statewide  testimony  on  oil  and  gas                                                            
                             issues.                                                                                          
 5:42:00 PM PAUL KENDALL, Referenced the testimony he submitted                                                               
             ANCHORAGE       on file.  He voiced support for PPT and                                                            
                             added support  for a gross  percentage.                                                            
                             He  correlated  the actual  use  in  an                                                            
                             average family home. Alaska is a source                                                            
                             of natural gas. He recommended that the                                                            
                             oil companies  come forward to  provide                                                            
                             testimony.  He was  disturbed about the                                                            
                             package currently before the Committee.                                                          
 5:47:32 PM MICHAEL          Addressed concerns with the fair share                                                           
             TAVOLIERO,      concept and the process of how that                                                                
             ANCHORAGE       would be implemented.                                                                            
 5:50:34 PM BILL     WARREN, Testified in support of a fair share                                                             
             KENAI           for the resources of Alaska.  He                                                                   
                             supported exploration of Prudhoe  Bay &                                                            
                             supported testimony heard  from British                                                            
                             Petroleum (BP).   He supported the  25%                                                            
                             on   the   base   tax   with   a   high                                                            
                             progressivity  and  urged  movement  on                                                            
                             ANGDA.                                                                                           
 5:53:59 PM JAN      BROPHY,  He pointed out all the places that the                                                          
             KENAI           oil companies make money.  He warned                                                             
                            that  by 2030, the demand  for oil will                                                             
                            be  quadrupled in  order to  supply the                                                             
                            world's demand.  He recommended a gross                                                             
                            tax.   The price per barrel  of oil has                                                             
                            doubled.  He concluded that legislators                                                             
                            represent  Alaskan citizens not the oil                                                             
                            companies.                                                                                        
5:59:49 PM  TOM     LAKOSH, Submitted  his testimony.   He stressed                                                           
            ANCHORAGE       that the committee substitute versions                                                              
                            before      the      Committees     are                                                             
                            unconstitutional  as is  the  ACES bill                                                             
                            because  it  does  not  protect  public                                                             
                            interest.                                                                                         
6:06:44 PM  BRET CHAMBERS,  Favored   continuing  the  current  PPT                                                           
                            system to provide enough time to see if                                                             
                            it can work.                                                                                      
6:07:50 PM  STEVE DENTON,   Addressed  the  issue of  family values                                                           
                            and  fair share.   He pointed  out that                                                             
                            his  family  has been  involved in  the                                                             
                            resource  industry for many years.  Mr.                                                             
                            Denton  mentioned  the  permanent  fund                                                             
                            opportunities  and how  that  meets the                                                             
                            fair share promise.                                                                               
6:11:21 PM LAWRENCE         Recommended taking 1% of the final                                                                
            BREDMAN,        number and raising the tax to fund                                                                  
            MANLEY      HOT transportation needs.  The federal gas                                                              
            SPRINGS         tax    funds    the    current    state                                                             
                            transportation  needs,  but  there  are                                                             
                            many  roads  that need  attention.   He                                                             
                            mentioned   the   Dalton  Highway   and                                                             
                            highway systems that support the Alaska                                                             
                            North Slope.                                                                                      
6:16:45 PM  RHONDA  BOYLES,  She opined  that  the free  enterprise                                                           
            FAIRBANKS       system is the most successful means of                                                              
                            achieving  economic  justice.    Alaska                                                             
                            needs  to take stewardship of  the land                                                             
                            compatible with the unique environment.                                                             
                            She  urged that  legislation be adopted                                                             
                            that   supports  that  platform.    She                                                             
                            worried  about  less production on  the                                                             
                            economic  resource.    She supported  a                                                             
                            fair  and  balanced approach  and noted                                                             
                            support   for  the  testimony   of  Mr.                                                             
                            Hanley.                                                                                           
6:21:36 PM  JERRY   WALKER, Worried   about  potential  failure  of                                                           
            SELF,           AGIA.  He spoke in support of positive                                                              
            FAIRBANKS       business and the need for fiscal                                                                    
                            security.    He warned  that the  rules                                                             
                            should  not be continually changed.  He                                                             
                            supported  the  progressivity provision                                                             
                            without change.                                                                                   
6:24:06 PM  JAMES   FISHER,  He recommended an increase in  the tax                                                           
            SOLDOTNA        structure to the highest possible                                                                 
                             number.  He addressed the Gaffney Kline                                                            
                             and  Associates' analysis.    He  urged                                                            
                             that   the  legislature   take   strong                                                            
                             action.                                                                                          
 6:26:45 PM FRED STURMAN,  Spoke to fair share and reprimanded                                                                
             SOLDOTNA,       legislators for taking citizens' fair                                                              
                             share.  He urged that the budget be cut                                                            
                             and  expenses   lowered.    He   voiced                                                            
                             opposition   to   any    increases   in                                                            
                             government.                                                                                      
 6:28:37 PM DONALD BENSON,  Encouraged    the    members   of    the                                                          
             MAT-SU          Committees to support the Senate                                                                   
                             Judiciary  Committee  version  and  the                                                            
                             House  Resources Committee  version  of                                                            
                             PPT, which he felt brought back  a fair                                                            
                             share of Alaska revenues.   He stressed                                                            
                             the  Governor's support throughout  the                                                            
                             State and maintained that  ACES ensures                                                            
                             that Alaska will  be treated as a  fair                                                            
                             partner.                                                                                         
 6:31:46 PM MIKE MILLIGAN,  Drew attention to the New York Times                                                              
             KODIAK          article regarding 77% of the world's                                                               
                             oil being  held in  reserve by the  oil                                                            
                             companies with no national equity.   He                                                            
                             suggested the  creation of another  oil                                                            
                             company similar to ARCO.                                                                         
 6:34:56 PM ERIC             Spoke about the decline in production                                                            
             DOMPELING,      development.  He observed that Alberta                                                             
             THE    ALLIANCE has  seen  a  slow   down  of  resource                                                            
             ANCHORAGE,      development due to an increase in                                                                  
             Anchorage       taxes.  He warned about dipping into                                                               
                             the Capital  Budget Reserve (CBR).   He                                                            
                             questioned the  current plan. He  urged                                                            
                             that long  term jobs and  opportunities                                                            
                             not  be  sacrificed for  a  short  term                                                            
                             gain.                                                                                            
 6:37:54 PM  PAUL     LAIRD, He expressed concern regarding further                                                           
             THE   ALLIANCE, raising taxes on the  oil companies and                                                            
             Anchorage       how this impacts investments of oil                                                                
                             companies.   He  went  on to  say  that                                                            
                             "fair   share"   means    keeping   oil                                                            
                             companies  operating  in  Alaska.    He                                                            
                             supports keeping PPT in place.                                                                   
 6:40:35 PM JIM      GILBERT He said the state should not raise                                                               
             PRESIDENT,      taxes on oil companies.  He pointed out                                                            
             UDELHOVEN       the extensive operations of the oil                                                                
             OILFIELD        companies.  He went on to outlined the                                                             
             SYSTEMS,        number of contributions his employees                                                              
             Anchorage       provide to his community. He further                                                               
                             underlined   the   importance   of    a                                                            
                             partnership with  oil companies  rather                                                            
                             than   viewing  the   relationship   as                                                            
                             adversarial.                                                                                     
6:45:54 PM  MAYNARD   TAPP, He  urged  the Committee  to NOT  raise                                                           
            Anchorage       taxes.  He stressed that any changes                                                                
                            should   make   oil  development   more                                                             
                           attractive.                                                                                        
6:47:33 PM  JEANINE     ST. Defined  "fair  share" as  good jobs  &                                                           
            JOHN,           good future.  She urged the committee                                                               
            Anchorage       not to raise taxes.                                                                               
6:49:54 PM JERRY            Referenced the topping plant/refining                                                             
            MCCUTCHEON,     issue. He did not support supplementing                                                             
            Anchorage       companies refining plants.                                                                        
6:52:18 PM  TARA    SWEENY, Referenced  sec.  36  and  sec.  34  of                                                           
            ASRC,           HB2001.  Privately owned data used for                                                              
            Anchorage       the   state   benefit   should   remain                                                             
                            confidential.  She underlined that this                                                             
                            was a right of the company.                                                                       
6:55:48 PM  KEITH  SANDERS, Echoed concerns of previous the speaker                                                           
            CIRI,           regarding having to release seismic                                                                 
            Anchorage       data.                                                                                             
6:57:42 PM DAVID            He noted the balance of attempting to                                                             
            GODSTEIN,       receive fair share without dampening                                                                
            BACKBONE,       investment.  He said the companies will                                                             
            Anchorage       not pull out of Alaska or stop                                                                      
                            investing  because of  a  tax increase.                                                             
                            He   supported  the  25%  tax  with  .4                                                             
                            progressivity, and an increase penalty.                                                           
7:01:37 PM  JOHN   SHIVELY, He  spoke against raising taxes  on the                                                           
            RESOURCE        oil companies.                                                                                    
            DEVELOPMENT                                                                                                         
            COUNCIL,                                                                                                            
            Anchorage                                                                                                           
7:06:24 PM  JIM     DECKER, He  noted that he works in  oil and gas                                                           
            Anchorage       industry and spoke in support of PPT.                                                               
                            He  is  opposed  to  the proposed  ACES                                                             
                            plan.   He referred to AS  43 and noted                                                             
                            that  the  word "reasonable"  was added                                                             
                            before   "cost".  He  felt  this  would                                                             
                            increase   litigation   and  have   the                                                             
                            unintended  consequences of acting as a                                                             
                            disincentive.   He went on  to say that                                                             
                            government  has grown  considerably and                                                             
                            can  not  be sustained.    He felt  the                                                             
                            industry   would  perceive  that  taxes                                                             
                            would  be raised to support government.                                                             
                            He   said  excess  revenues  should  be                                                             
                            placed in a reserve.                                                                              
7:12:37 PM  KEITH   SILVER, He  observed  that  he  is  a  45  year                                                           
            Anchorage       resident.  He expressed concern over                                                                
                            raising  taxes  and  the  potential  of                                                             
                            creating an unstable environment, which                                                             
                            would make oil companies less receptive                                                             
                            to exploration and development.                                                                   
7:14:57 PM HARRY            He stated he is the owner of a trucking                                                           
            MCDONALD,       company.  He urged the committee to                                                               
             Anchorage       leave the current tax system in place.                                                           
 7:17:40 PM  TOM     HENDRIX He  emphasized  that  he  works  for  a                                                          
             JR., Anchorage  company   that   benefits    from   the                                                            
                             prosperous  partnership  with  the  oil                                                            
                             companies.   He urged the committee  to                                                            
                             pass   legislation    that   encourages                                                            
                             exploration  and development.   He  did                                                            
                             not support raising taxes                                                                        
 7:20:03 PM  BART  ARMFIELD, He anticipated  that his company  would                                                          
             BROOKS    RANGE make significant investments under PPT,                                                            
             PETRO.   CORP., but  cautioned that any  change to  the                                                            
             Anchorage       tax would bring uncertainty.  He went                                                              
                             on  to note  that  ACES would  decrease                                                            
                             capital expenditures  by companies  and                                                            
                             companies would go elsewhere.                                                                    
 7:23:35 PM MATTHEW          He observed that his company thrives                                                             
             FAGNANI,   NANA when  oil companies are  thriving.   He                                                            
             MANAGEMENT      maintained that raising taxes on the                                                               
             SYSTEMS         industry will not aid the state and                                                                
                             will    discourage   exploration    and                                                            
                             investment,  which   in  turn   effects                                                            
                             companies like his.                                                                              
 7:27:06 PM JIM         ORR, He referenced the provision in the bill                                                          
             EMPLOYED BY  AK regarding auditors and the exemption of                                                            
             PUBLIC          specific employees.                                                                              
             EMPLOYEES                                                                                                          
             ASSOCIATION                                                                                                        
 7:31:06 PM  MARSHALL BYRD   He   felt  that  the   administration's                                                          
                             proposal   of   raising  taxes   is   a                                                            
                             emotional reaction.   He supported  the                                                            
                             PPT under the current law.                                                                       
 7:34:11 PM  MARY WHITMORE   She supported  leaving the current  law                                                          
                             in  place and did  not support  raising                                                            
                             taxes.  She  noted that 30 days is  not                                                            
                             enough time to make good tax policy                                                              
 7:36:00 PM  CAROLINE BOLAR  Asked if Alaska is getting a fair share                                                          
                             from  any  industry.     She  supported                                                            
                             putting  addition  revenues  into   the                                                            
                             Permanent Fund.                                                                                  
 7:40:34 PM  MERRICK PEIRCE  Noted that Alaska's crude oil  is worth                                                          
                             $25.7  billion.    He  felt   that  the                                                            
                             current law  is not  giving Alaska  its                                                            
                             fair  share.   He  went on  to  express                                                            
                             concerns about fuel costs  in Fairbanks                                                            
                             and  noted  that  the  effects  on  the                                                            
                             housing market.  He supported investing                                                            
                             additional revenues.                                                                             
 7:43:20 PM FRANK SEPICO   Supported not raising taxes.                                                                       
 7:45:18 PM #ADJOURNMENT     The meeting was adjourned at 7:44 PM                                                             
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                

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